tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post3255409611847428222..comments2024-01-22T22:31:51.493+13:00Comments on phoam surf blog: Submission Time! - Port Otago Dredgingnichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14688802198973487856noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-90503634322807794952010-08-14T09:25:32.535+12:002010-08-14T09:25:32.535+12:00Hi Will,
Thanks for your input and suggestions, m...Hi Will,<br /><br />Thanks for your input and suggestions, much appreciated. <br /><br />I agree with you, and I am not against Port Otago dredging for bigger ships, and I do not attend, and have not oppoosed the consents. Our issue is what is done with the spoil in the existing dump sites as it affects the surf zone.<br />I recognise as an island nation and our remoteness in Dunedin within that, that this is a necessary move to secure a trump vital to the financial future of Otago.<br /><br />in reply to:<br />1/<br />I had a meeting with the CEO of Port Otago on Thursday, spurned by the video and campaign where goal was to become better heard. It felt that during my input (and that of Graham Carse and Brett Hastie)at the public consultative phase we weren't heard or considered seriously. <br /><br />The video was effective for sure, as a result of consultation and expressions of viewpoints at that meeting both sides are confident that an agreeable solution can be found through open dialogue. <br /><br />2/<br />I agree it is hard to do, but definately measurable and quantifiable by suitably qualified specialists that do exist, like Kilpatrick, Brad Scarfe etc. Others specialists just need awareness of the nuiances of a surfing wave which have slightly different aims and methods to traditional hydrographic applications- not so coastal process orientated. People like Brad Scarfe, along with Surfbreak Protection Society (united and clear front)take the mantle to inform regional councils, planners, and central government the importance of these features, surfbreaks, and how to preserve them in a scientific and intellectual way through lobbying & submitting like this.<br /><br />Randoms may prattle, but Councils and groups like Port Otago must realise that we are not all Phd educated, and expressing our feelings and experiences has just as much value as a scientific study in consideration.<br /><br />Thanks for the contact of Will Gilmore, I will email him today<br /><br />regards<br />Nicnichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14688802198973487856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-5673404663676471232010-08-13T23:17:39.081+12:002010-08-13T23:17:39.081+12:00Hi Nic, I like what you are doing and can see that...Hi Nic, I like what you are doing and can see that you have put a lot of energy into it. I have worked in marine design and construction for the past several years, including working with large dredging projects, groins, wave buoys, ports, and the related beaurocratic systems. I have surfed around the Dunedin coast most of my life. The comments above and the suggestions for submission raise a few points;<br />1) The large shipping companies have begun building, and will continue to build, the larger container ships requiring 12 -14m draft. Although we don’t currently have contracts with these large companies, we have no chance at all of getting these contracts without a port deep enough to berth them. If Dunedin doesn’t deepen the port it spells a slow death for Port Chambers and the port as an import/export gateway for Otago. The way I see it the recreation of a few hundred surfers won’t stop developments to secure the longevity of Otago’s main port. Alter the spoil ground. . . maybe . . . how will this happen. . . ;<br /> <br />2) “Regular wave monitoring by qualified specialists’. . . in the context of surfing waves this is very hard to do. Beaurocrats (councils, managers, engineers, etc) like numbers and graphs. Wave buoys will give you screeds of information (directions, Hs, Hmax, Ave, period, currents, etc, etc) but even the most advanced can’t tell you whether the surf was, or was not, pumping. Photos, and video, mean nothing to these people as they most likely don’t surf. My suggestion would be that you speak to Will Gilmore of WRL (William Glamore, PhD, Senior Research Fellow - Water Research Laboratory, School of Civil and Environmental Engineering, University of New South Wales, w.glamore@wrl.unsw.edu.au)he maybe able to point you in the right direction. <br /><br />It should also be noted that surf breaks change over time naturally, and that the increase in spoil may create better breaks nearby, who knows. As I said I admire your efforts, but I think any front from surfers needs to united and clear, not just randoms prattling on about how the surf is not as good as it use to be. The council and port are smart operators and will be probably be happy to oblige as long as they are given clear and defined parameters. Good luck <br /> Regards,<br />Will LewisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-11336953624259412062010-08-13T13:22:58.565+12:002010-08-13T13:22:58.565+12:00Yeh my bad , your rite. Think what i ment to say w...Yeh my bad , your rite. Think what i ment to say was i dont think that the ORC and DCC have listened to the public in the past e.g stadium. I really do hope they listen this time!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-66846289388163524272010-08-12T20:12:26.570+12:002010-08-12T20:12:26.570+12:00yes we do have a say. which is why this consent ap...yes we do have a say. which is why this consent application is open to publi8c submissionnichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14688802198973487856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-85872100771555962782010-08-12T11:21:26.311+12:002010-08-12T11:21:26.311+12:00Thanks. Seems funny rate payers own Port Otago yet...Thanks. Seems funny rate payers own Port Otago yet we dont really have a say?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-83664570400752967822010-08-11T21:51:29.487+12:002010-08-11T21:51:29.487+12:00ORC owns Port OtagoORC owns Port OtagoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-21985617388204910712010-08-11T18:08:19.667+12:002010-08-11T18:08:19.667+12:00Can someone tell me, does DCC own Port Otago? Chee...Can someone tell me, does DCC own Port Otago? CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-29958492383854433862010-08-10T14:06:21.425+12:002010-08-10T14:06:21.425+12:00I love the statement from the AEE report stating t...I love the statement from the AEE report stating that " any sediment to reach the coastline will be negligible".<br />As a North Coast resident, surfer , surf life saver and frequent beach goer, the recent increase in sand on Warrington beach is unbelievable.<br />The beach used to be 100m from the domain/clubhouse. It is now closer to 300m. I'm not sure what there report would say about this but I'm pretty sure the sand is not procreating! Its coming from somewhere close by!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-36100769161409691972010-08-09T20:00:34.629+12:002010-08-09T20:00:34.629+12:00Very interesting write up by Elizabeth Kerr here
h...Very interesting write up by Elizabeth Kerr here<br />http://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2010/03/27/why-should-port-otago-dredge/<br /><br />The interesting thing is, aside from port merger politics, a number of New Zealand’s major ports are dredging their channels in anticipation of larger container vessels.<br /><br />Did the ports’ boards stop to ask the shipping line(s) ‘What size of boats are you planning to send us?’ So we, the port companies, can reliably assess if we need to fund expensive consenting processes and dredging?<br /><br />Sometimes, the ports’ suit brigades aren’t up to managing their way out of a paper bag? That’s not the right question, or is it. After all, this is a matter of regional-national logistics and planning for sustainable business development in New Zealand.<br /><br />Bottom line: port activity must be coordinated and quality controlled for the service and development of the national export economy as much as the global shipping trade.<br /><br />The ports falling into into ad hoc, reactionary localised practice; attempting to do things on the cheap; not attending to maritime safety; not upskilling and training the workforce; failing to coordinate the spread of risk across our major deepwater facilities and access points; not inviting new business partnerships and supplier relationships; and so on – is not about promoting and building an efficient, flexible and sustainable freighting base for New Zealand producers.<br /><br />Why encourage container traffic through the port of Lyttelton if their cranes are unsuitably old and clunky (showing the lack of major investment in that port company’s infrastructure)?<br /><br />Why send (larger?) container ships to Port Otago if there’s no harbour master to oversee maritime safety? Why would we think to promote Dunedin as an oil base without a harbour master? (Hello, Otago Regional Council, owner of Port Otago Ltd, are you going to manage your responsibilities to the marine environment anytime soon? …An international vessel grounds in Otago Harbour, we haven’t systems and accountabilities in place to manage spillage and contamination – the boat’s full of high value Fonterra milk powder immediately due to China processing plants – we’ve f***ed the supply chain. Who doesn’t get their money, who is liable?)<br /><br />****<br /><br />Knowing and managing risks and liabilities going forward through close modelling, system analysis and quality control of New Zealand supply chains, industry processing, freight handling and haulage, transportation planning, trade diplomacy, incentive systems, international gateway ports and airports – amongst other factors – is ESSENTIAL to growing the export economy.<br /><br />Not too many people know how the ports operate. We assume all the systems and risks are being professionally managed by the port companies, according to statutory requirements.<br /><br />The truth is – leaving statutory responsibilities aside for a moment (by the way, it’s not all tip-top with these) – each port has been crawling along, instituting its own limited management and operating systems. A power of work at every level is urgently needed to bring industry consistency to the safe management and competitiveness of our New Zealand ports.<br /><br />Why allow a bunch of ‘sailors’ (many of them accountants with no wider training or expertise), dressed as port executives, to run New Zealand port infrastructure like they know what they’re doing. They don’t.<br /><br />The ports’ middle management tiers are gripped by the heavy overwhelming reality of historical cumulative logistical weakness in the New Zealand port industry.<br /><br />All up, ports’ management is not well organised – or sufficiently well skilled and educated – for the practical, hardnosed ‘change management’ required in the national port sector.<br /><br />The port boards and bosses are under par as strategists. Let the blood-letting begin.<br /><br />Post by Elizabeth Kerrnichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14688802198973487856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-23094110561812734252010-08-09T15:56:52.578+12:002010-08-09T15:56:52.578+12:00Well as I am the south Island rep for Surfbreak Pr...Well as I am the south Island rep for Surfbreak Protection Society, it will be us that would be, if it came to it, to the environment court.<br />So I could request that donations be made to surfbreak.<br />Click here for a link to our membership form,<br /><br />http://www.surfbreak.org.nz/about-us/joining-us.aspx<br /><br />a donation can be made at the same time as membership.nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14688802198973487856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22883844.post-9426611321102101332010-08-09T15:46:28.996+12:002010-08-09T15:46:28.996+12:00Either way this has Environment Court all over it....Either way this has Environment Court all over it... <br /><br />Might be wise Nic to request donations so that submitters (3rd parties) can employ a suitably qualified person(s) to represent them in Council Hearing/Environment Court?<br /><br />finnyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com